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There's a very interesting form of classism in the general cannabis community that's using holistic rhetoric and “nature” as a means to establish a clear line between a “real stoner” and a “mid-smoker”. This language is clearly our stoner equivalent of who the “haves” and the “have nots” are. Many people are so entrenched in this culture of “real stoners” and “mid-smokers” that many self-proclaimed purists will outright refuse any weed they deem “too mid”. Even the language of “mid-smoker” is an insult directly linked to classism - “mid-smokers” are people who cannot afford the most expensive and nice weed - AKA the majority of people. The average person. Just to get this out of the way: Not everything that is natural is safe. However, it is a common belief that stoners will say to you in justification as to why traditional flower and weed extracts are “safe” compared to other drugs and why they are safer than a cannabinoid synthed from CBGa like D8. To shut this argument down right away, allow me to make a small list of things that disprove it: Cyanide, sharks, poison dart frogs, borotoxin. It seems to me that this is an inauthentic belief, (or at the very least, an ignorant one). By this I mean it is a belief that the stereotypical “real stoner” turns on and off at will to enforce their position within this system. The person making this argument assuredly does not believe natural things are safer all the time in actuality. If you were to ask this same person if they want to smoke some poison ivy they will assuredly turn their belief that natural things are safe off pretty quickly. To look into the more holistic-style class enforcement I’ve seen, much of it argues from a place of things like D8, HHC, and sometimes extract in general “not being what the plant is about”. This is not a position you can logically argue with. The belief that a plant can be “about” anything other than being itself is based on nothing - and, in my opinion, shows an example of the intense amount of human arrogance within us. To believe we can perceive a plants true will and wants is to claim to be god. Many stoners will outright refuse free and perfectly good weed or concentrate that they declare “mids”. This is interesting to me because it seems that in a situation like this the “real stoner” is now choosing to refuse themselves the very thing the culture is about in order to ensure their place in the hierarchy. There is also a real social cost the “real stoner” is choosing to take on here, as this is a move that is hard to read as anything other than posturing that the “real stoner” is measurably better than the person offering the weed, both in savvy and terms of cash. All in the name of maintaining that feeling of superiority. This turns what should have been a kind thing from one friend to another into a contest. In my opinion, this is not behavior a good friend exhibits, yet with the mask of holistic claims and natural = good, it is harder to recognize and much easier to get away with. It can easily seem like the person who just ruined the situation is just "defending nature" and the "true purpose of the plant". Basically, smoke your mids, they make WAY more sense price-wise, and be nicer to your friends and their situation.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS IS MY OPINION AND I HAVE NO INSIDER KNOWLEDGE. SOMETHING NOT ON THIS LIST COULD HAPPEN INSTEAD BUT THIS IS MY BEST GUESS. IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN TAKE FEEL FREE TO LEAVE IT IN THE COMMENTS. The farm bill for 2024 that will be drafted in September will likely hurt this industry badly if not destroy it entirely. These noids exist because of a loophole and are currently unregulated and more importantly, untaxed. The outcomes possible (in my opinion) are: Nothing happens I don't really see this happening. Many government organizations and media outlets have been making a stink for a while about this whole thing for a hot sec now. Noids get regulated across the board Also a situation I find incredibly unlikely. The only scenario in which this happens in 2024 would have to also include full federal legalization of weed, which does not seem to be on the horizon. They wouldn't start a nationwide regged market of altnoids before allowing regular d9. One or just a few noids get regulated - the rest banned This is one of the scenarios I think is realistically possible. The most likely candidates for getting regulated would be either D8 on its own or D8 and HHC. They are the most popular altnoid phytos and seem to be getting a little bit more wiggle room with the public than things like the acetates. On the topic of acetates, I find it highly unlikely that they survive this. Ever since that University of Oregon study came out it seems like the acetates are public enemy number one. I would suspect that the regulation would be left up to states, just like with D9, so states without legal D9 are kind of screwed. The loophole is closed and the psychoactive noid market pretty much collapses overnight. I hate to say it, but if I were a betting man this is where I’d put my chips. The only reason these noids exist in the first place is because of a loophole, and a pretty easily fixable one at that. This market hurts the government's bottom line as it stands today. They go full sicko mode It is possible that they could do the above but also ban cnoids federally as well. If this were to happen it's likely that CBD would get regulated and the others would be purged. I have trouble believing that they would nuke CBD too, but hey, you know what they say! The next time that somebody tells you, “The government wouldn’t do that,” Oh yes they would.

See a term missing? Please let me know in the chat and I will add it if appropriate. Terms for/about Cannabinoids Cannabinoid/Noid Cannabinoids are naturally occurring compounds found in the cannabis plant. They are responsible for the various effects of marijuana, including its psychoactive and medicinal properties. Blend A "blend" refers to a mixture of different cannabinoids and terps. Dab A "dab" is a method of consuming cannabis concentrate. It involves heating a small amount of concentrate on a heated surface and inhaling the vapor. Usually using a quartz banger and a rig Wax "Wax" is a bit of a catch-all term that is used to describe almost any kind of concentrate. Traditional wax has a waxy texture, but the term is used far more often to refer to concentrates as a whole. Shatter "Shatter" is a type of cannabis concentrate that has a glass-like texture. It is made using a similar process to wax but is purged differently to create a different texture. BHO "BHO" stands for butane hash oil, which is a type of cannabis concentrate made using butane as a solvent. PHO "PHO" stands for propane hash oil, which is a type of cannabis concentrate made using propane as a solvent. Rosin "Rosin" is a type of cannabis concentrate that is made without the use of solvents. It is created by applying pressure and heat to cannabis buds, causing the trichomes to release their oils. RSO "RSO" stands for Rick Simpson Oil, which is a type of cannabis oil made using a solvent. It is named after Rick Simpson, who popularized the method of using cannabis oil to treat cancer. Budder "Budder" is a type of cannabis concentrate that has a creamy, butter-like texture. It is made using a similar process to wax but is purged differently to create a different texture. Batter "Batter" is a type of cannabis concentrate that has a batter-like texture. It is made using a similar process to wax but is purged differently to create a different texture. Terps/Terpenes "Terps" or "Terpenes" refer to the aromatic oils that give cannabis its distinct smell and taste. They also have medicinal properties and are believed to contribute to the overall effects of cannabis. Diamonds "Diamonds" are a type of cannabis concentrate that consist of crystalline structures. They are made using a similar process to wax, but are purged differently to create a different texture. Live Resin "Live Resin" is a type of cannabis concentrate made using fresh, frozen cannabis buds. The extraction process preserves the terpenes and other volatile compounds that can be lost during the drying and curing process. Live Rosin "Live Rosin" is a type of cannabis concentrate made using fresh, frozen cannabis buds and a rosin press. It is similar to regular rosin, but made using fresh material. Distillate "Distillate" is a type of cannabis concentrate that is made using a distillation process to create a purified and potent product. It is often used in vape cartridges and edibles. Indica "Indica" refers to a species of cannabis plant, Cannabis indica, that is typically short and bushy with wide, dark green leaves. Indica plants are known for their high resin production and are often used for making cannabis concentrates. Traditionally, indica strains have been associated with relaxing and sedative effects, and are often used to promote relaxation, relieve pain, and improve sleep. However, in recent years, the effects of cannabis strains have become less closely tied to their indica/sativa classification, as hybridization and crossbreeding have blurred the distinctions between the two. Sativa "Sativa" refers to a species of cannabis plant, Cannabis sativa, that is typically tall and lanky with narrow, light green leaves. Sativa plants are known for their long flowering times and high THC content. Traditionally, sativa strains have been associated with energizing and uplifting effects, and are often used to promote focus and creativity, and to combat depression and fatigue. However, as with indica strains, the effects of cannabis strains are becoming less predictable and less closely tied to their sativa/indica classification. Equipment/Other Terms Rig A "rig" is a type of water pipe used for consuming cannabis concentrates. It typically consists of a glass water pipe and a nail or banger used for vaporizing the concentrate. Bong A "bong" is a type of water pipe used for smoking cannabis flower. It typically consists of a glass or acrylic tube, a bowl for holding the cannabis, and a water chamber that cools and filters the smoke. Can be used for dabs as well. Banger A "banger" is a type of nail used for vaporizing cannabis concentrates. It is typically made of quartz and is heated with a torch before being used. Enail An "enail" is an electronic device used for heating the nail on a cannabis rig. It eliminates the need for a torch and allows for more precise temperature control. Carb Cap A "carb cap" is a tool used for vaporizing cannabis concentrates. It is placed over the nail or banger to trap the vapor and improve the efficiency of the vaporization process. Spinner Cap A "spinner cap" is a type of carb cap that spins the concentrate inside the nail or banger, creating more surface area for vaporization. Terp Balls "Terp balls" are small glass or ceramic balls that are added to the nail or banger to increase surface area and improve the vaporization process. Flat top Banger A "flat top banger" is a type of nail or banger used for vaporizing cannabis concentrates. It has a flat top surface that makes it easier to use with carb caps and other accessories. Terp Slurper A "terp slurper" is a type of nail or banger used for vaporizing cannabis concentrates. It has multiple small holes that allow for increased vaporization and improved flavor. Nail A "nail" is a type of heating element used for vaporizing cannabis concentrates. It is typically made of quartz or titanium and is heated with a torch before being used. Jammer A "jammer" is a type of small glass pipe used for smoking cannabis flower. It is typically handheld and easy to transport. Qtip A "Qtip" is a type of cotton swab used for cleaning a cannabis rig or nail after use. Silicon Slick A "silicon slick" is a type of container used for storing cannabis concentrates. It is made of non-stick silicone and allows for easy storage and retrieval of the concentrate. Jar A "jar" is a type of container used for storing cannabinoids.Most prefer this method of storage Steamroller A "steamroller" is a type of handheld pipe used for smoking cannabis flower. It typically has a larger bowl than other handheld pipes, allowing for bigger hits. Infused Flower "Infused flower" refers to cannabis flower that has been infused with another canabinoid. Moonrocks "Moonrocks" are a type of cannabis product made by coating cannabis flower in oil and then rolling it in kief. Sprayed flower "Sprayed flower" refers to cannabis flower that has been sprayed with a different noid using a solvent to make it viscous. Recommended to avoid. Perc/Percolator A "perc" or "percolator" is a type of water filtration system used in water pipes and bongs. It helps to cool and filter the smoke before it is inhaled. Disposable/Dispo "Disposable" or "dispo" is a term used to describe a type of cannabis vape pen that is meant to be used once and then thrown away. These pens typically come pre-filled with cannabis oil and are popular for their convenience and ease of use. Grinder A "grinder" is a tool used to break up cannabis buds into smaller pieces for use in smoking or vaporizing. Grinders typically consist of two interlocking pieces with sharp teeth that shred the cannabis when twisted together. They come in various materials such as metal, plastic or wood. Binding affinity "Binding affinity" refers to the degree to which a molecule, such as a drug or neurotransmitter, binds to a receptor. In the context of cannabis, binding affinity is often discussed in relation to the ability of cannabinoids to bind to CB1 and CB2 receptors in the body. Cannabinoid Receptors "Cannabinoid receptors" are a type of receptor found throughout the body that interact with endocannabinoids and phytocannabinoids, such as those found in cannabis. There are two main types of cannabinoid receptors, CB1 and CB2, which are thought to play a role in regulating many physiological processes. CB1 "CB1" refers to a type of cannabinoid receptor found primarily in the brain and nervous system. CB1 receptors are responsible for many of the psychoactive effects of cannabis. CB2 CB2" refers to a type of cannabinoid receptor found primarily in the immune system and peripheral tissues. CB2 receptors are thought to play a role in regulating inflammation and pain. Common Slang Noid - Cannabinoid Cnoid/CBX - any of the non psychoactive noids such as CBD/CBG Isomer - same formula but a different arrangement of atoms in the molecule and different properties. Such as D9, D8, THC-O Gas/Fire - Good quality Psychoactive - a substance that gets you high Disty - Distillate Vendor - Seller COA - Certificate of Analysis/Lab test results Labs - COA Terp - Terpene P noids - the phorols such as THC-P, HHC-P and THCP-O Hot - Over .3% D9 THC and therefore illegal Dispo - disposable/dispensary depending on context Boof - Bad quality

THIS IS AN EDITIED VERSION OF A POST THAT WAS AUTHORED BY /u/Delta8Girl HERE. Thank you so much for writing this / giving me permission to post it, and thank you to HighAsDuck for some corrections. Study Link Recently, some scientists at the University of Portland relesed a study that says that THCo, CBNo, and CBDo make a toxic gas when heated. I really think this study seems to completely ignore how people actually vape, as well as being extremely poorly controlled and showing several areas of ignorance. I wrote a 9 page report with 20 sources, similar to the length of the actual paper, debunking it in formal scientific language. However it's very dense and formal, so let me break it down: The biggest flaw in my book, one that makes me doubt it's legitimacy, is that they ran 700-1000F Vapors through tubing only rated for a maximum of 600F. This tubing probably would have been damaged and made a huge mess at that temperature, and Its hard for me to believe that they didn't notice. Due to unclear wording(and no photos), I can only assume they stuck a nail directly into the tubing, and stuck the other end into their smoking machine. Secondly, their lowest temperature was 700F, and their highest was 1000F. PLEASE, if you vape at that high of a temperature, without any water, tell me. I have never come across that in my life. They used a laboratory temperature controller which has a much higher max temp as a substitute for an enail. Finally, their toxic gas detecting compound reacts with a lot more than just toxic gases. Like acetic anhydride, WHICH IS USED TO SYNTHESIZE THCO!! And they never tested the samples before experimentation, only AFTER. Other mishaps include: Using the COTTON coil that came with their mod to vape noids Buying carts from Hydro-Hemp (no COA) Not distilling the sample they made Not providing synthesis details Involving a private cannabinoid manufacturer (floraworks) that doesn't sell acetates Using a cart at 10 watts and only 10 watts Not using (At least I think, poor wording strikes again) a bong with their nail And many more errors that are difficult to explain without using words like Mass Spectrometry and Qualitative Analysis. I am open to all questions and good-faith feedback. I see a lot of people make these arguments when talking about THCo. They can seem credible at first but lack scientific merit. I don’t think people are stupid if they believe these, by the way. They make sense to the average person and don’t seem to be grossly illogical like some beliefs about weed are (weed makes you angry/violent, fentanyl laced weed, gateway drug argument) 1. THCO is an acetate, and Vitamin E acetate (VEA) is an acetate, VEA is poisonous, therefore, THCo is poisonous. This is a false syllogism with very little basis in chemistry. Acetate is an extremely common group in chemistry, and is found in many things, including the human body and food. This doesn’t make it safe to consume obviously, but acetate is not some exotic novel toxin. The reason Viaman E is bad for you according to the CDCs research is because of it's abnormally long fat chain that your lungs can't absorb properly - it builds up and pools and then eventually caused physical irritation to the cells of the lungs causing inflammation. 2. It isn’t found in cannabis, which means it’s a synthetic cannabinoid, which make you go crazy. A substance that is synthetic is not automatically bad. Second of all, most if nor all the noids you buy are from synthetic origins. This doesn’t matter because a molecule doesn’t have different properties if it is natural or synthetic. This is a mott-and-bailey argument. The argument “THCo is a synthetic cannabinoid” is subtlety swapped out for “THCo is a synthetic cannabinoid and dangerous because there are many other dangerous synthetic cannabinoids”. Synthetic cannabinoid just means cannabinoid created by humans. Unlike THCo, most cannabinoids found in K2 or Spice (JWH-x, RCS-x, AM-694 etc) don’t look like THC at all. They are thousands of times stronger than THC, and most were designed for labs to perform complicated biology experiments, NEVER to be smoked. 3. THCo doesn’t work or is “deactivated THC”. Everyone’s body is different. Just because you can’t feel it doesn’t mean nobody else can. Try switching up how you consume it and make sure to try more than 1 safe, high quality product. If you buy some crazy shit like this, no wonder it didn’t work. 4. THCo is “harsh”. If you believe this, one of three things is true. You're either heating your device way too much, you bought aforementioned shitty products, or you have literally never tried it in your life. It is not objective but the vast majority of people say THCo is much less harsh than d9 or d8. So if you can handle those well, but can’t take THCo, I would troubleshoot before denouncing it as poison. In conclusion, nobody knows if THCo is safe, and you are taking risks by consuming it. However with our current information it is the same risk as d8. If you are going to argue against THCo, stop using these 4 arguments, as they don’t make sense. And if your plug told you d8 is poison, they’re just trying to sell weed. EDIT FROM HIGHASDUCK: The simple reason VEA is toxic is that it’s just a regular oil that lacks the special properties of things like PG or VG that allow it to safely enter your lungs. You shouldn’t inhale VEA for the same reason you should NEVER inhale cooking oil. The molecule is a long chain and if a lipid has too many links your lungs can't absorb and process it out properly. ------- The below edits are from Turkey, not the original author. EDIT 2: Here are some sources. EDIT 3: Please note that just like any other noid, the long-term effects aren't known. This study being shitty does not mean the acetates are safe, it just means these results are invalid. Use your own judgment when deciding to vape any of these noids. Personally, I vape acetates, but almost always through water and at temps under 700. That would be my recommendation to you. What is Acetate? CDC says EVALI is likely caused by VEA Structure of D8 (Very similar to D9 THC) Structure of D9-THCo Structure of D9 THC More Synth Info

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This is the study these numbers are from. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.4137/PMC.S32171 There are other studies that have come up with different numbers, so this chart is not absolute - also note the result for JWH-133 is incorrect because the result is correct but it's not JWH-133 despite being labeled as it WH-133 lacks the hydroxyl group on the A ring (high CB2 and low CB1) but the result is for an analog of JWH-133 that has the hydroxyl group on the A ring giving it CB1 activity